Rare military uniform drafts

[LeiaOrgana2187]

Well, I spent most of my beach trip yesterday on a google-fu quest and found some of these rare drafts. Some of these include a wartime copy of T&C magazine dated 1943. Do anyone here have clearer, more complete copies of these drafts?



Pattern 40(?) British Battledress draft (the blouse's instructions were cut off; any full copy with complete instructions?)






Air Cadet tunic. This is the first time I knew this existed.

Found them on warrelics.eu BTW.

[Henry Hall]

Are these not all in Vol II or III of MTOC?

[LeiaOrgana2187]

Doesnt look like MTOC to me. And MTOC tends to only real with dress uniforms.

[Henry Hall]

Many drafts from that period in T&C magazine (the magazine in the photos is from 1941) are either in MTOC or are simply minor variations.

[LeiaOrgana2187]

My basis here is the 1948 edition of MTOC Ratspeed uploaded (which I have as a PDF). So.... would be delighted to see a complete text on the Battledress blouse draft.

[LeiaOrgana2187]

Anyone still up?

[Henry Hall]

My basis here is the 1948 edition of MTOC Ratspeed uploaded (which I have as a PDF). So.... would be delighted to see a complete text on the Battledress blouse draft.

That's only MTOC 1 though isn't it? Or has Ratspeed now also done vols 2 and 3? To be honest I can't even remember what the entire contents of vols 2 and 3 is!

[Schneiderfrei]

Henry Hall there were three volumes available. I can't remember where I downloaded them from, I think it must have been Ratspeed.  The year is 1919 for volume 2 and 3.

Vol 2 chapter titles are mostly Specialist occasions and Women's and Children's,

Vol 3 chapter titles are mostly Wholesale issues, outfitting, separates and attachables such as collars, underwear, head wear, gloves etc.

On the other hand Tom Bennett did put up a version that was of much improved quality and was from 1949 - but only Vol 1.

[Henry Hall]

The vol 2 I have is a very good scan, but the file size is enormous. I extracted the pages I wanted and hardly ever open the huge file.

[LeiaOrgana2187]

Meanwhile..... I found these on Pinterest while trying to scour the Carré-System book by Rudolf Maurer.



Yes. This is the Kokumin-fuku, the unofficial men's attire in Japan during the 1940s.



Can anyone shed more light to these? So far, this is the only extant pattern I discovered. Cannot go any further as my phone lacks a Japanese keyboard; only Mandarin.

[Schneiderfrei]

I'm not going to translate that.  ;P

[Henry Hall]

The one on the left isn't much different than a Mao suit, or a Bond villain suit (Dr Evil).

[LeiaOrgana2187]

Well, a stark difference from the Mao suit is that the Kokumin-fuku can be worn either with an open or closed collar; Mao suits are always worn shut.

[Henry Hall]

Well, a stark difference from the Mao suit is that the Kokumin-fuku can be worn either with an open or closed collar; Mao suits are always worn shut.

They're not. A Mao suit is not one with a mandarin collar, it has a normal, shirt-like collar worn open or closed.

[LeiaOrgana2187]

Well, a stark difference from the Mao suit is that the Kokumin-fuku can be worn either with an open or closed collar; Mao suits are always worn shut.

They're not. A Mao suit is not one with a mandarin collar, it has a normal, shirt-like collar worn open or closed.

Both Mao suits and the Kokumin-fuku have shirt-like collar. My point is that the Kokumin-fuku can also be worn unbuttoned while the Mao Suit is worn closed most of the time.