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LeiaOrgana2187

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Rare military uniform drafts
« on: November 12, 2018, 05:53:37 PM »
Well, I spent most of my beach trip yesterday on a google-fu quest and found some of these rare drafts. Some of these include a wartime copy of T&C magazine dated 1943. Do anyone here have clearer, more complete copies of these drafts?



Pattern 40(?) British Battledress draft (the blouse's instructions were cut off; any full copy with complete instructions?)






Air Cadet tunic. This is the first time I knew this existed.

Found them on warrelics.eu BTW.

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Re: Rare military uniform drafts
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2018, 06:12:15 AM »
Are these not all in Vol II or III of MTOC?
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Re: Rare military uniform drafts
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2018, 11:55:06 PM »
Doesnt look like MTOC to me. And MTOC tends to only real with dress uniforms.

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Re: Rare military uniform drafts
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2018, 03:32:09 AM »
Many drafts from that period in T&C magazine (the magazine in the photos is from 1941) are either in MTOC or are simply minor variations.
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Re: Rare military uniform drafts
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2018, 10:16:00 AM »
My basis here is the 1948 edition of MTOC Ratspeed uploaded (which I have as a PDF). So.... would be delighted to see a complete text on the Battledress blouse draft.

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Re: Rare military uniform drafts
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2018, 12:51:32 PM »
Anyone still up?

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Re: Rare military uniform drafts
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2018, 04:55:32 AM »
My basis here is the 1948 edition of MTOC Ratspeed uploaded (which I have as a PDF). So.... would be delighted to see a complete text on the Battledress blouse draft.

That's only MTOC 1 though isn't it? Or has Ratspeed now also done vols 2 and 3? To be honest I can't even remember what the entire contents of vols 2 and 3 is!
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« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2018, 12:34:38 PM »
Henry Hall there were three volumes available. I can't remember where I downloaded them from, I think it must have been Ratspeed.  The year is 1919 for volume 2 and 3.

Vol 2 chapter titles are mostly Specialist occasions and Women's and Children's,

Vol 3 chapter titles are mostly Wholesale issues, outfitting, separates and attachables such as collars, underwear, head wear, gloves etc.

On the other hand Tom Bennett did put up a version that was of much improved quality and was from 1949 - but only Vol 1.

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« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2018, 04:34:21 AM »
The vol 2 I have is a very good scan, but the file size is enormous. I extracted the pages I wanted and hardly ever open the huge file.
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Re: Rare military uniform drafts
« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2018, 10:21:06 PM »
Meanwhile..... I found these on Pinterest while trying to scour the Carré-System book by Rudolf Maurer.



Yes. This is the Kokumin-fuku, the unofficial men's attire in Japan during the 1940s.



Can anyone shed more light to these? So far, this is the only extant pattern I discovered. Cannot go any further as my phone lacks a Japanese keyboard; only Mandarin.

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Re: Rare military uniform drafts
« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2018, 12:01:11 AM »
I'm not going to translate that.  ;P

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Re: Rare military uniform drafts
« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2018, 06:00:02 AM »
The one on the left isn't much different than a Mao suit, or a Bond villain suit (Dr Evil).
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« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2018, 05:02:58 PM »
Well, a stark difference from the Mao suit is that the Kokumin-fuku can be worn either with an open or closed collar; Mao suits are always worn shut.

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« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2018, 09:52:40 PM »
Well, a stark difference from the Mao suit is that the Kokumin-fuku can be worn either with an open or closed collar; Mao suits are always worn shut.

They're not. A Mao suit is not one with a mandarin collar, it has a normal, shirt-like collar worn open or closed.
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Re: Rare military uniform drafts
« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2019, 03:35:52 PM »
Well, a stark difference from the Mao suit is that the Kokumin-fuku can be worn either with an open or closed collar; Mao suits are always worn shut.

They're not. A Mao suit is not one with a mandarin collar, it has a normal, shirt-like collar worn open or closed.

Both Mao suits and the Kokumin-fuku have shirt-like collar. My point is that the Kokumin-fuku can also be worn unbuttoned while the Mao Suit is worn closed most of the time.