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Apprentices => Drafting, Fitting and Construction => Topic started by: Schneiderfrei on September 03, 2017, 06:38:40 PM

Title: Our Changes - Significant Diagonal Folds on the Back
Post by: Schneiderfrei on September 03, 2017, 06:38:40 PM
For Spookietoo,

(https://s20.postimg.cc/ud0i6zo9l/Wir_Aendern_-_Erhabliche_Schraegfalten.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/ud0i6zo9l/)

Title: Re: Our Changes - Significant Diagonal Folds on the Back
Post by: spookietoo on September 04, 2017, 12:24:22 AM
Vielen dank, Mein Herr!

I'm actually finding the translations fun (like working crossword puzzles for a reason!) And the information is priceless.

I had correctly identified the issues, but the solutions are not as clumsy as my own of course.

Thanks, again!
Title: Re: Our Changes - Significant Diagonal Folds on the Back
Post by: Schneiderfrei on September 04, 2017, 01:06:20 AM
That is very coincidental.  I have certainly compared my interest in translating to a better alternative to cryptic crosswords, that gives you something profitable at the end.  Of course the full reasons that I like it so much at considerably deeper than that.

I am very glad to make it available.  You can still get the new book from Mueller.  It has quite a few and more on women's issues. Not all though.  In the Wir Aendern book, the older version, there is even a page on fitting Keilhosen.
Title: Re: Our Changes - Significant Diagonal Folds on the Back
Post by: spookietoo on September 04, 2017, 04:22:07 AM
Okay, so I've no idea what keilhosen are.

I got my first really good giggle from the translator: "Wedge pants."

I have avoided those like the plague thruout my lifetime! ;D

Is this the name for the stirrup pants in the other discussion? (I've avoided those also - not a good look on me at any size.) So I've only skimmed that discussion.
Title: Re: Our Changes - Significant Diagonal Folds on the Back
Post by: Schneiderfrei on September 04, 2017, 08:08:19 AM
Ha :)

They were a variation on ski pants in the 30's.  A better translation would be Gusset pants but the gusset is at the ankle.

Yes a kind of stirrup trouser.
Title: Re: Our Changes - Significant Diagonal Folds on the Back
Post by: peterle on September 04, 2017, 10:26:25 PM
I think it´s called Keilhosen because they´re wider at the hips and very tight at the ankles to fit into the skiing boots. Usually also the front and back center fold were topstitched thus the trousers look like a wedge when seen from the side.
Title: Re: Our Changes - Significant Diagonal Folds on the Back
Post by: Schneiderfrei on September 05, 2017, 12:00:24 AM
That's very interesting peterle.  I avoided getting too much into the realm of WWII when the mountain troupes wore them.  I have seen examples for sale that may or may not have been very close copies.  They look good. I want to make some up as a challenge.
Title: Re: Our Changes - Significant Diagonal Folds on the Back
Post by: peterle on September 05, 2017, 08:33:16 PM
These skiing pants date from the later fifties and sixties and were made from an elastic material (at least here in Austria).
WWII skiing pants have been wool mostly and cut much wider.
Title: Re: Our Changes - Significant Diagonal Folds on the Back
Post by: Schneiderfrei on September 05, 2017, 09:27:49 PM
Oh cool.  This information is not always obvious.
Title: Re: Our Changes - Significant Diagonal Folds on the Back
Post by: peterle on September 06, 2017, 12:43:19 AM
Well, I think ski apparel is not a wide buisness field in your area, is it?
Title: Re: Our Changes - Significant Diagonal Folds on the Back
Post by: Schneiderfrei on September 06, 2017, 01:34:03 AM
One dreams :)

And indeed, I have not made any yet.
Title: Re: Our Changes - Significant Diagonal Folds on the Back
Post by: Greger on September 06, 2017, 06:03:59 AM
You could try them water skiing. Try some cloth with flotation bubbles added. Don't punch too many holes in them when sewing and pin fitting. 😏 OH, yes. Instead of a hot tub you'll need a cool tub. It is kinda hot down under isn't it?
Title: Re: Our Changes - Significant Diagonal Folds on the Back
Post by: hutch-- on September 06, 2017, 08:38:42 AM
Don't laugh, the bottom of OZ gets pounded from the Great Southern Ocean over winter time which produces the snow conditions in NSW, Victoria and Tassie. I had a mate who used to crew maxi racing boats of over 100 feet long and he showed us photos of waves higher than the top of the mast when bringing a maxi from Perth to Sydney. People who go out in the snowfields unprepared often die of hypothermia. You guys in the northern hemisphere are luck that you get crisp dry cold where it is common here for the cold to be damp and go through your bones.

I learnt the lessons riding motorbikes in winter about hypothermia.
Title: Re: Our Changes - Significant Diagonal Folds on the Back
Post by: Schneiderfrei on September 06, 2017, 10:01:02 AM
Yeah, we are not prepared for the cold here.  It really is hot for most of the year.  That said, over most of the country you could live every day in shorts and t-shirt with thongs. ;p
Title: Re: Our Changes - Significant Diagonal Folds on the Back
Post by: Greger on September 06, 2017, 05:54:59 PM
Here in the northwest it doesn't get really hot nor cold. At 40 degrees it can be bone chilling. People from the prairies say it feels like 20 below. Sometimes when it snows at 32 degrees it actually feels warmer.

Read about large waves in the south. The shore line must be rather interesting to see.

This one person went around the world filming snow skiing, including NZ and Australia. Then he traveled around the US showing it to enthused skiers, of which I was one.

Some day I'd like to visit those two fine countries down there.
Title: Re: Our Changes - Significant Diagonal Folds on the Back
Post by: hutch-- on September 07, 2017, 01:19:27 AM
Graham,

> That said, over most of the country you could live every day in shorts and t-shirt with thongs

Does that mean you are as badly dressed as I am in the summer ?

> The shore line must be rather interesting to see.

Especially in winter the seas are really something. With hundreds of miles of cliffs on the bottom side of West OZ, when a big storm blows up, the sea breaks over the cliff edges. Very impressive with the footage I have seen but probably not much fun to be there.
Title: Re: Our Changes - Significant Diagonal Folds on the Back
Post by: Greger on September 07, 2017, 06:30:35 AM
>Especially in winter the seas are really something. With hundreds of miles of cliffs on the bottom side of West OZ, when a big storm blows up, the sea breaks over the cliff edges. Very impressive with the footage I have seen but probably not much fun to be there.<

Isn't that the mountain range that Mt. Cook is in?
Should be footage on YouTube.
Title: Re: Our Changes - Significant Diagonal Folds on the Back
Post by: Schneiderfrei on September 07, 2017, 09:51:16 AM
Oh Hutch, you should see me fishing off the beach on the York Peninsular.  Although I do not own thongs.  And I hate being sun burned, so its not a t-shirt.

And Hutch, I gave up wearing stubbies when I was 19.
Title: Re: Our Changes - Significant Diagonal Folds on the Back
Post by: hutch-- on September 08, 2017, 10:50:19 AM
greger,

This is all I could find in a hurry. Think of hundreds of miles of cliffs like this, the middle of winter and the great southern ocean breaking over the top edge of it. There was good reason why captains in the sailing boat era did not sail under Australia in the winter time.

Title: Re: Our Changes - Significant Diagonal Folds on the Back
Post by: Schneiderfrei on September 08, 2017, 11:02:44 AM
Hutch you might equally have chosen a photo of the "Shipwreck Coast"

I was amazed to learn that after the earliest voyages from Europe to Australia the ships began to sail straight down the Atlantic, skim past Antarctica and push on up to Australia that way.  It was much more direct.  But, only possible for a few months in high summer.
Title: Re: Our Changes - Significant Diagonal Folds on the Back
Post by: peterle on September 08, 2017, 06:48:50 PM

And Hutch, I gave up wearing stubbies when I was 19.

Oh what a shame You neglect your local traditions...
Title: Re: Our Changes - Significant Diagonal Folds on the Back
Post by: Greger on September 09, 2017, 04:19:23 AM
Hey, Hutch, did you own land out there? 😁

Drones are like boomerangs. If you handle them right they come back.
Title: Re: Our Changes - Significant Diagonal Folds on the Back
Post by: hutch-- on September 09, 2017, 04:35:42 AM
> Hey, Hutch, did you own land out there?

Only in Sydney where I live.  :)

Here is some footage taken of a Kiwi warship in the Great Southern Ocean.

Title: Re: Our Changes - Significant Diagonal Folds on the Back
Post by: spookietoo on September 09, 2017, 02:00:22 PM
I think our Florida coast is about to experience something similar.  Traffic here in East Tennessee was extra messed up for a Friday afternoon (we're about 7-8 hours from the Florida state line where I am) with lots of Florida car tags and it took my niece an extra hour to get here from Atlanta. Both towns are on Interstate Highway I-75 which is the major route from Florida to the north.

Hurricane Irma is being fed by warm waters??? Don't understand the science of it, but wondering if warm waters have something to do with things down your way.
Title: Re: Our Changes - Significant Diagonal Folds on the Back
Post by: hutch-- on September 10, 2017, 11:18:02 PM
Hi Spookie, the reports from Florida sound terrible and the next one coming in sounds like its worse. Its a different reason under OZ where the great southern ocean has a clear path around the bottom of the world around Antarctica and you get some truly wicked wind speeds there, especially in winter. If you look at something like Google Earth to see Antarctica, the wind is a clockwise circular pattern around Antarctica and in the winter it hits the bottom of OZ as a south west wind that is at time truly ferocious.

I get to see some footage of Tornado Alley in the US which is horrendous but I don't know if it hits Tennesee so you may be lucky. We have dust devils in OZ but they are rarely ever near populated areas. What we do get similar to the problems in Florida is cyclones in Queensland that are very violent and it is due to an alternate weather pattern across the Pacific ocean where you get from drought to flood depending on which end of the cycle you are it. Its that malicious Mexican couple, El Nino and La Nina.  ;)
Title: Re: Our Changes - Significant Diagonal Folds on the Back
Post by: Schneiderfrei on September 11, 2017, 01:18:02 AM
Funny thing about weather and winds Spookietoo.  They don't cross the equator.  We are relatively safer here.  Not nothing, there were very strong cyclones [hurricane] last few years.  We had some really strange weather last year. now all the seasons seem late. but nothing like the power of the three in a row your seeing now. 

And Hutch is right about the southern ocean. It doesn't fit the old 3 oceans, seven seas story but it is very independent in its movements.  A very new thing for us is tornadoes.  They are starting up. Never heard of them before. Never heard of them from my grandparents.  They talked abut willy willys and dust devils. Little guys.

Aboriginal stories tell about a cycle of hot and cold, when water spouts get big enough to carry people away.  They think we are headed there now.